Russ Ewell, Executive Minister of Bay Area Christian Church, recently sat down with Ryan Zook on the Men of Iron Podcast for a conversation aimed at the men doing everything right and still feeling like God is disappointed in them.

They get into the difference between religious Christianity and spiritual Christianity — and why trying harder to behave better rarely produces a changed life.

If you’ve ever wanted an older man in your corner, this one’s worth the hour.

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